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AR Factory vs Noob Factory in 2026: Which 40mm Submariner Can You Still Buy?

AR FactoryvsNoob Factory
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AR Factory vs Noob Factory is no longer a live choice in 2026. The original Noob closed after the 2021 raids, and the May 2026 r/RepTime "Who Makes the Best" guide lists it as "Noob (Closed)". ARF is still in the guide: it is first, with the top mark NWBIG, for the five-digit Submariner 16610 with a 3135 clone. For the 40 mm Submariner 116610, the guide ranks VSF first.

AR Factory vs Noob Factory: the table

AR Factory (ARF)Noob Factory
Status, October 2026Warehouse raid reported in June 2026; watches still shipped, some under the name ONEClosed since the 2021 raids
40 mm Submariner in the May 2026 guideFirst for the 16610 (3135 clone, NWBIG)"Noob (Closed)"; not listed for the Submariner
Other guide placesFirst for the GMT-Master II 116710LN and the Explorer II 226570"Noob v2" second for the Sky-Dweller
What it was known forRolex sports models, plating praised by ownersThe Submariner before 2021, and in 2021 the only Daytona with all sub-dials working (4130 clone)

What happened to each factory

Noob. In August 2021 a member wrote that dealers saw almost no chance of a Noob return. Before that, Noob led the Submariner until VSF released its 116610 with the VS3135, according to a member. Since late 2024 some sellers use the names "Noob V2" and "FNF" (Fake Noob Factory), and a dealer account announced that Noob had "officially returned"; members said the name had changed hands and that anyone could claim it.

ARF. In June 2026 members reported a raid. A top poster wrote that only a single ARF warehouse was raided, and a buyer still received an ARF Daytona QC on June 15. In August 2026 members wrote that ARF had been renamed ONE, and one buyer waited 18 days for a GMT-Master II QC.

Which 40 mm Submariner to buy in 2026

The guide splits the 40 mm Submariners by generation:

ReferenceMovement in the guideFirst choice
16610LN and LV (five-digit)3135 cloneARF (NWBIG)
116610LN and LV3135 cloneVSF (NWBIG)
114060 (no date)3130 cloneVSF (NWBIG)

Owners name the stock ARF crystal as its weak point; a deep crystal costs extra and can magnify single digits too much.

Sources

All dates are the posting dates of the threads.

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